What is going on ? And where does it end ? This is simply unreal now, it has to be addressed properly .. I'm lost for words as to what it's all about, I honestly cannot fathom or comprehend it all. I'm not political, I've never voted in my life, but I honestly do not see Labour with individuals like Abbot fixing or at least controlling this situation , and I'm not for a minute saying Conservatives are succeeding and this isn't a political comment or looking for an arguement relating to politics .. It's just unreal ..
Lost for words!!! This American Free Press article maybe says it all. Here’s what the media and politicians don’t want you to know about the Manchester, UK, suicide attack: Salman Abedi, the 22-year-old who killed nearly two dozen concert-goers in Manchester, UK, was the product of the U.S. and UK overthrow of Gaddafi in Libya and “regime change” policy in Syria. He was a radicalized Libyan whose family fled Gaddafi’s secular Libya, and later trained to be an armed “rebel” in Syria, fighting for the U.S. and UK “regime change” policy toward the secular Assad government.
The suicide attacker was the direct product of U.S. and UK interventions in the greater Middle East. According to the London Telegraph, Abedi, a son of Libyan immigrants living in a radicalized Muslim neighborhood in Manchester, had returned to Libya several times after the overthrow of Muamar Gaddafi, most recently just weeks ago. After the U.S./UK and allied “liberation” of Libya, all manner of previously outlawed and fiercely suppressed radical jihadist groups suddenly found they had free rein to operate in Libya. This is the Libya that Abedi returned to and where he likely prepared for his suicide attack on pop-concert attendees. Before the U.S.-led attack on Libya in 2011, there was no al-Qaeda, ISIS, or any other related terrorist organization operating (at least with impunity) on Libyan soil.
Gaddafi himself warned Europe in January 2011 that if they overthrew his government the result would be radical Islamist attacks on Europe, but European governments paid no heed to the warnings. Post-Gaddafi Libya became an incubator of Islamist terrorists and terrorism, including prime recruiting ground for extremists to fight jihad in Syria against the also-secular Bashar Assad. In Salman Abedi we have the convergence of both these disastrous U.S./UK and allied interventions, however: It turns out that not only did Abedi make trips to Libya to radicalize and train for terror, but he also travelled to Syria to become one of the “Syria rebels” fighting on the same side as the U.S. and UK to overthrow the Assad government. Was he perhaps even trained in a CIA program? We don’t know, but it certainly is possible.
While the mainstream media and opportunistic politicians will argue that the only solution is more Western intervention in the Middle East, the plain truth is that at least partial responsibility for this attack lies at the feet of those who pushed and pursued Western intervention in Libya and Syria. There would have been no jihadist training camps in Libya had Gaddafi not been overthrown by the U.S./UK and allies. There would have been no explosion of ISIS or al-Qaeda in Syria had it not been for the U.S./UK and allied policy of “regime change” in that country.
When thinking about Abedi’s guilt for this heinous act of murder, do not forget those interventionists who lit the fuse that started this conflagration. The guilt rests squarely on their shoulders as well.
The pc way of doing things should be some form of internment camps setting up and a lot of doors taking off their hinges...but fuck that just deport how many are on the watchlist to either syria or iraq with no questions asked...if anyone did not agree with it ie their families etc..they should be sent with them too..
The tried internment here in the 70s. It was a shambles due to poor intelligence and really just strengthened the Republican support. I'd imagine the intelligence now is much better....but then again the world is 50 times more pc nowdays so the likelihood of this being supported is low for me. Human rights etc....would prevent it.
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Fuck their human rights ..were was the human rights of the people blown to bits in manchester...the hard working honest folks of the uk need some direct action from our government otherwise were all sitting ducks till the nxt attack.
Thing that winds me up about incidents like this is hours after arrests are made ..they obviously know who they are but the pc brigade won't allow the authorities to do what's necessary. Fuck being pc friendly it's not working
Surely a case for not letting anyone back into the country after visiting Syria etc ,never seen the point in stopping the scum from leaving, better out of the U.K then killed lawfully.Im from Manchester and after the attack I would of sooner seen some direct retaliation than pages and pages of press about unity and togetherness, Putin and France sent jets and missiles , in Manchester we sang don't look back in anger and had tattoos of bees done . The more basic these attacks become the more shocking , any crowded place could become a target police response time what 2-3 minutes long time for 3 pricks already prepared to die with a van and a simple weapon. I personally can't see it ending or not for a long time
It's never going to end though is it, for every one of these backward cunts who die for their cause there's another two to take his place. There's 3000 known Islamist's walking among us now, the authorities know who they are, they should be kicking down front doors and rounding them up. If they were not born here then they should be shipped out of the country, no ifs, no buts, just do it! The ones that were born here need to be tagged and report to the cop shop twice a day, if they don't want to co-operate because it infringes their human rights bang them up.
Can I just say the OB come in for criticism from a lot of quarters but both they and the emergency services are some of the finest in the world.
Ill say the same as i said on Osti.. Know it sounds Racist but fuck it its our country & we need to start doing something now.. All Muslims should be rounded up & put into camps where they are monitored 24/7 & if they dont want to do that then fuck off to where they originally come from.. Its a joke now how much these Cunts are attacking Europe on a monthly basis & fuck all is getting done..
Quote: Bertie Biggins wrote in post #11Ill say the same as i said on Osti.. Know it sounds Racist but fuck it its our country & we need to start doing something now.. All Muslims should be rounded up & put into camps where they are monitored 24/7 & if they dont want to do that then fuck off to where they originally come from.. Its a joke now how much these Cunts are attacking Europe on a monthly basis & fuck all is getting done..
Not a racist comment at all. What about the Muslims born here or the ones who are converts to Islam. What do we do with them?
Born here or not if they are guilty of extremism then they should be interned , if they show links to terrorism or have travelled to Syria to fight lock them up, tolerance caused this
Quote: WEAVER wrote in post #13Born here or not if they are guilty of extremism then they should be interned , if they show links to terrorism or have travelled to Syria to fight lock them up, tolerance caused this
If they go to Syria or any other shit hole to fight for those cunts they shouldn't be let back in the country any family or friends who object throw them out..there happy to live off the state while planning or justifying these attacks. the Muslim community needs to do more any hate preachers need to be jailed or thrown out any non Muslim who disagrees needs to be questioned
The UK military have been assisting both directly and indirecrly in the bombing the shit out of ISIS for a number of years. Now We need to start looking closer to home. The security services also work tirelessly protecting our shores, much of which goes unreported. It's a difficult question to answer but a definite change in policy is needed.
Can you remember this Scum from a few years ago took her baby to syria as she wanted to go there & fight against us.. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...our-months.html Few weeks later shes begging to come home & what do we do let her back with open arms, she should have been Hung for treason..
Quote: superfrank2812 wrote in post #16The UK military have been assisting both directly and indirecrly in the bombing the shit out of ISIS for a number of years. Now We need to start looking closer to home. The security services also work tirelessly protecting our shores, much of which goes unreported. It's a difficult question to answer but a definite change in policy is needed.
Quote: superfrank2812 wrote in post #16The UK military have been assisting both directly and indirecrly in the bombing the shit out of ISIS for a number of years. Now We need to start looking closer to home. The security services also work tirelessly protecting our shores, much of which goes unreported. It's a difficult question to answer but a definite change in policy is needed.
Quote: superfrank2812 wrote in post #16The UK military have been assisting both directly and indirecrly in the bombing the shit out of ISIS for a number of years. Now We need to start looking closer to home. The security services also work tirelessly protecting our shores, much of which goes unreported. It's a difficult question to answer but a definite change in policy is needed.
Quote: superfrank2812 wrote in post #16The UK military have been assisting both directly and indirecrly in the bombing the shit out of ISIS for a number of years. Now We need to start looking closer to home. The security services also work tirelessly protecting our shores, much of which goes unreported. It's a difficult question to answer but a definite change in policy is needed.
I think you'll find Western forces have been battling ISIS throughout the world for a number of years, including Syria. The situation in some of these countries is very convoluted. You can even look at Qatar now. If you want to believe the blx in the Mail then go ahead. You probably believe the BS that Western agencies have also trained AQ and ISIS.
Just catching up with this just now, it seems like a very quick & effective response from the police thankfully.
As for some of the posts above, it's understandable to get angry but internment of all muslims is a non starter - there are somewhere between 2 & 3 million muslims in the UK ATM, the very large majority of them are no problem at all. These attackers are only a handful in number and we are letting them win when we change our way of life and start taking extreme actions in response to every attack.
I'd definitely crack down on anybody that was known for extremist activities, refuse entry to anyone who has left the country to fight for jihadis abroad and then tries to return.
And to Muskamber - your post about blaming UK foreign policy is too simplistic, and is imo excusing these pricks saying they're provoked. The situation is too complicated to blame on any one factor. Also these attacks are coinciding with ISIS losing ground left right and centre in the Middle East.
Surprisingly I find myself agreeing with Trump, he had it right when he called them losers because that's something all these attackers have in common, they're misfits, petty criminals, gang members, poorly educated, on the margins of society and mostly not devout muslims before radicalisation.
So now Qatar is labelled a hotbed of terrorist funding, this comes from Saudi Arabia ? Not for one second do I believe or feel any action towards a peace loving Muslim community should happen. Realise the difference between fanatics hiding behind Islam, and a genuine ordinary person who believes in there own Religion. All Irish people are IRA supporting terrorists that should have been rounded up and thrown out ? No , come on. To the ones allowed back into the country, I'm unsure why they were let back in, but I'm in full agreement they should be removed from our society.Why would you leave here to fight for a Caliphate then return to Western society to live here ? Other than to reek havoc ..
Quote: STEVECFC wrote in post #23So now Qatar is labelled a hotbed of terrorist funding, this comes from Saudi Arabia ? Not for one second do I believe or feel any action towards a peace loving Muslim community should happen. Realise the difference between fanatics hiding behind Islam, and a genuine ordinary person who believes in there own Religion. All Irish people are IRA supporting terrorists that should have been rounded up and thrown out ? No , come on. To the ones allowed back into the country, I'm unsure why they were let back in, but I'm in full agreement they should be removed from our society.Why would you leave here to fight for a Caliphate then return to Western society to live here ? Other than to reek havoc ..